Darkwave and dating

(1) The two names that I most often hear as examples of the original Darkwave are "Das Ich" and "Project Pitchfork", so that's what I lead my write-up with. (2) "Die Form" has been added, which is a great band to be sure, but it's also a band that has done a lot of different kinds of music, so using them as an example of Darkwave can't possibly clarify what you mean.Also, they're a french band, which makes it a little odd to use them in a discussion of german darkwave.As for me, I'm not trying to diss your genre, I'm trying to describe all the meanings of "darkwave" that I think I've seen in use.-- Doom , Mar 21, 2005 (UTC) It seems like there is a lot of disorganization in this discussion, and being new I wasn't sure where to chime in, but perhaps we should take the encyclopedia approach and see if some of the goth magazine web sites have some workable "darkwave" definition.Femmy V (talk) , 13 January 2008 (UTC) I think Dark Wave is not really gothic rock - sometimes it is a mixture from gothic rock and wave, maybe caused by the success of The Cure which are influencial band in the late 80ies.But Das Ich and also Goethes Erben are not really wave music, they are something completely different - Neue Deutsche Todeskunst, a different style.What would you suggest as an improvement, something that would get across the german meaning of darkwave very quickly?I'm afraid that the distinction between The Cure and, say, Joy Division is a little fine for my ears, but I guess I can accept the notion that The Cure is midway between gothic rock and new wave.

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Neoclassical Darkwave refers to a music genre within the Darkwave movement.I'm trying to restore my multiple-definitions approach, but I'm including a fourth definition now, the expansive definition that some of the dark wave fans here would seem to like to see used.If you'd like to try and improve on this, that's great, but I ask you to remember that we're supposed to be *neutral* here, we're working on an encyclopedia entry, not a press release.If you're one of the people who have been working on re-writing it, I'd like you to ask yourself what your motives are exactly: are you trying to help make the term clear to someone who's never encountered it before?Or are you trying to make it seem more significant than it is to help out your scene/band/etc.?

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